A long time ago I told my friend Brad from EnemyofDebt.com that not paying attention to your credit score is dumb.
I refused to listen to him on all his thousand and one reasons why he
could care less, and I thought the fact he said he had a score of “0″
(yes, ZERO) was cockamamy. I’m pretty sure I told him it wasn’t even
possible, which I later came to find out was
kinda sorta untrue (it’s possible to have
no credit score, which in essence is kinda like a “0,” even though it’s not).
Here we are though, 3 years later and much wiser in my age, and I’m
starting to come around to the idea a bit more :) Not that I’m sold
completely on the whole thing – I’m not, and I’ll totally continue to
monitor my own ‘cuz I think it’s smart – but I do see where Mr. Brad is coming from more now. His stance can be simply summed up like this:
If you’re never taking out a loan again, why does your score matter?
An interesting take on the whole score game for sure. Especially if
you’ve never really thought about it before. Why DOES your score matter
if you don’t have any loans or credit to your name at all? Is your CASH
worth less depending on what your score reads? It’s a cool way to think
of things mainly because it’s so drastic. When was the last time you
decided to never have a loan or credit card?? Haha… for me it’s probably
been a good 25 years, like when I was 7 ;)
And just like I thought 3 years ago when first debating against Brad, some of the same questions remain for those who believe it’s just not that possible:
- How do you rent an apartment without a credit score?
- How do you BUY a car without being able to take out a loan??
- How do you get A HOUSE without taking out a mortgage?? Or mortgageS?
All common occurrences in our lives which we’re just so used to these
days – something Brad says is part of the problem: Society has deemed
taking on credit and loans as perfectly normal, so people rarely stop to
consider the alternatives anymore! Nonetheless the consequences.
But what about those questions up there? What do
people like Brad (aka the anti-debtors) say about ‘em? I picked apart an
email he had shot me a couple weeks ago where he was doing a Q&A
with one of his readers (I had told him if he didn’t put it on his blog
I was going to! Haha…), and he answers all 3 of those questions as he
is always known to do: with passion and vigor :)
Renting an apartment without a credit score:
“You can definitely rent an apartment without a credit score. You can check out a service called
eCredable.com
that allows you to build a payment history to show landlords that you
are financially reliable. It allows you to track your payments for
utilities, rent, etc. It is a great resource! It’s also great to have an
emergency fund savings statement showing how much you have saved up.
If you have no debt, can prove you are reliable, and can show you
have savings, most landlords would be glad to have you. As a former
landlord myself I know for a fact that a credit score really isn’t a
reliable indicator as to how good of a tenant someone will be —
financially or otherwise.”
Buying a car without a credit score:
“Buying a car is certainly possible without a credit score, assuming
you are planning to buy one without going into debt. Having a car
payment is one of the worst ways to own a car. You do not need a car
payment to own a car as long as you buy a gently used 2-3 year old car
that has had one owner who took care of it and can prove it. I do not
recommend getting a car using debt — EVER — therefore your credit score
doesn’t really matter when buying a car.”
AKA if you’re paying all *cash* for something, your credit doesn’t even become an issue.
And I’d even tack on here that you could get a car for CHEAPER too if
you presented the “all cash” option during your initial negotiations!
Whether you buy it from a dealer, or from an individual. Here’s a good
article Lance did for us the other month on
paying cash for a car vs. taking out a loan, for what it’s worth. Even though it’s def. PRO-loanage ;)
Buying a home without a credit score:
“If you’re looking to get a house via mortgage one day, then you can
do so without a credit score. It’s not as popular as other routes
because society is so attached to their credit scores. It’s called “
manual underwriting”
and there are places that will take your real life information (renting
receipts, eCredable reports, credit history (different than credit
score), savings, income, and how much debt you have to evaluate your
ability to pay a mortgage. (15-year fixed rate) My wife and I are paying
cash for our next house so we don’t even need that.”
While pretty extreme, you can see it IS possible to function
in this world without worrying about your credit and/or credit score.
It mainly becomes an issue whenever you need to take out that loan or
get approved for something/etc. (And maybe when you’re looking to get
employment too as
many companies now check out your credit
too, whether you believe it’s right or wrong). If you have no plans on
ever doing it though, why should it matter if you can get an excellent
interest rate or not?
Brad ends his email to his reader like this:
“Chasing a credit score is a slippery slope and many experts still
believe that it’s the only way to function in today’s day and age. It’s
not true though and there are plenty of people living debt free without a
single worry or care about their credit scores. It’s just a matter of
how much you really want to be, stay, and live debt free.
You don’t have to play the credit score game. The choice is yours…”
Interesting stuff to think about either way. Could I do it? No way. I enjoy
taking advantage of my credit cards and loans to better leverage my money and (more importantly) my TIME, and I also like trying to
compete
for the best score too ;) As possible as the non-credit lifestyle may
be for some, it’s just not that practical in my world. And I’m totally
okay with that as long as things keep pushing forward and I don’t make
any stupid mistakes ;) I’ll gladly take on a car loan if I can do
something better with my cash instead, and I def. don’t want to wait 100
years to save up enough to buy a house cash-free either! Haha… Though
I’ll gladly give Brad mad respect for doing so as it takes a LOT more
restraint and patience that I’ll ever have, that’s for sure.
At the end of the day, though, I choose practicality and convenience over extremism.
‘Cuz I know myself well, and I’m confident I won’t get into much
trouble using credit towards my advantage. If you DON’T trust yourself
though, or you SUCK at managing debt/credit cards/etc, by all means stay
away!! Maybe give Brad’s take some serious thought and slow things
down a bit? There’s nothing wrong with choosing either side here as long
as it’s the right one for YOU. So definitely consider your own habits
when reading info about this stuff online, or wherever. You personality
matters a LOT here.
Thoughts? Questions? Concerns? I’ll try and
get Brad to watch this thread in case anyone wants to throw some
zingers his way and/or give him props ;) He’s one of my best blogging
friends I have, and I know he appreciates a good debate! So let’s see
what you’ve got.
source:
budgetsaresexy.com